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Even though he disagreed with the Amendment, he believed in making sure the process was fair. He so strongly disagreed with the 2/3 requirement that he Appealed the Decision of the Chair. <br /><br />Also, you comment about "The real miscommunication came in the form of a page-long caucusing rule, in small print with strikes and inserts." Five copies of the amendment were given to the chair that did not have "strikes and inserts". Why didn't the chair give these copies to the Nominating Committee? If the committee had questions/issues understanding the amendment, did they ask the authors of the amendment for help?<br /><br />It seems odd to me that the nominating committee left 45% of alternate slots blank. I believe that this would have been a very good mechanism for them to ensure every precinct was represented. Of the 164 precincts in Travis County in SD 14, 31 had no one at the convention. Of the 133 precincts that did have people at the convention, it looks like 105 had either delegates/alternates selected from them. This left 28 Precincts who had representation at the Convention that did not have delegates or alternates selected from them. By my calculations, we could have added 22 more precincts represented at the State Convention. 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